Season 12 - Episode 6

The Business of Us | Latina Leadership Podcast with Andrea Diaz

Overcoming the Guilt of "Leaving Behind" to Build Something New with Andrea and Vanessa Clavijo's story.

Navigating the “First-Gen Guilt” of entrepreneurship, redefining risk for immigrant families, and building community as a business strategy.

You have a brilliant business idea—maybe hand-painted figurines or a new consultancy. You’ve done the math, picked the name, and you’re ready to launch. But then you freeze. You realize you can’t tell your mom about it because she’ll ask, “Why aren’t you using your degree?”. For many of us, the barrier to entry isn’t capital—it’s the conversation in our heads that hasn’t even happened yet.

 
In this episode, I’m joined by Vanessa Clavijo, a Peruvian-American entrepreneur and the founder of Girls Do The Work. Vanessa navigated the transition from a “safe” senior corporate role to the unknown world of entrepreneurship, all while managing the complex expectations of a family that sacrificed everything for her stability. She didn’t just build a business; she built an ecosystem of support that honors her culture while breaking its limitations.

This isn’t just about starting a company; it’s about the “Business of Us.”
. You will learn how to distinguish between your parents’ fear and their love, why your “risk aversion” is actually a response to “Allostatic Load” we can heal, and how to build a business that doesn’t just make profit, but makes space for others
 

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Key Takeaways

  • Get Curious, Not Defensive: When your family questions your business, ask yourself: What is the family narrative about work?. If it is survival, their doubt is just a “protection of the plot.”

  • Practice Self-Compassion: You are operating without a map. Treat yourself with the same kindness you would offer a friend. You don’t have to be perfect to be worthy of your dreams.

  • Build Your Ecosystem: You don’t have to do this alone. If the “old boys club” doesn’t work for you, build your own table—or in Vanessa’s case, your own service organization.

Stop trying to convince them of the vision; convince them of the safety. Immigrant parents often view entrepreneurship through the lens of survival and trauma, known as “Allostatic Load”. Their skepticism isn’t a lack of belief in you, but a fear of instability born from their own sacrifices. Frame your business not as a rejection of their sacrifice, but as a calculated evolution of it. Acknowledge their fear to lower their defenses, then show them how you have mitigated the risks.

Mainstream advice often ignores the “Social and Emotional Cost” of failure for minorities. For first-generation Latinas, business risk is often tied to “Family Capital”—the reputation and financial stability of the entire family unit. This creates a “Heavier Trust,” where failure feels like letting the lineage down. The strategy isn’t to be reckless, but to build “protective factors” (community support and slower, sustainable scaling) that buffer against this amplified fear of failure.

Move from “Networking” to “Collective Efficacy”. Traditional networking is transactional; collective efficacy is relational. As seen with Girls Do The Work, successful Latina entrepreneurs often build “ecosystems” rather than solo ventures. By creating a service-based community alongside your business, you create a feedback loop of purpose, trust, and resources that protects you from the isolation of being the “only one” in the room.

Andrea Diaz: Hola Amiga. Welcome to the Latina Leadership Podcast, a podcast by Latinas for all women. Get ready, because today’s conversation is really special. All of you guys. And welcome to another episode of the Latino Leadership Podcast. I’m your host, Andrea. So hi everyone. We’re back. And last episode we talked about the business of us, the heavy, beautiful weight of building something when it feels tied to your family’s story. It was about navigating external pressures.

Andrea Diaz: So today I want to turn the focus in which to the quieter pressures we put on ourselves, especially this time of year. If you’ve been online at all, you know the vibe. It’s all about radical transformation, extreme goals, and hustling for that best self. And if you’re like me by now, the noise can start to feel less like motivation and more like a demand. It can make you feel like you’re already behind on a race you didn’t even want to run.

Andrea Diaz: So if our last conversation was about the weight of external expectations, this one is about giving ourselves a break from the internal ones. I don’t think we need another list or a plate plan right now. I think what we need first is something simpler. I think we need a permission slip, not a to do list. A permission slip to do this year differently.

Andrea Diaz: And you know, we actually got a story from a listener on me that’s a perfect example of what this can look like in action. So let me show you. So let me pull out my trusty dusty phone. And here’s Rumi’s story in her own words.

Rumi (Listener): “My 2025 has been a year of adventures, experiences, and discoveries. When I started the year, I told myself this year I would participate in networking events even when I don’t know anyone, and I’ll try a new activity each month. Certainly, I embarked on so many new experiences. I was called to speak on stages during virtual and in-person panel sessions. I took latte art and espresso workshops. I took baking classes. I traveled a lot. I took soap making classes, and I made boxing workouts part of my weekly routine. I also said yes to opportunities even when I was in doubt and not ready. For instance, the time when I was asked to go to Chicago and host a student event and the time I flew to Malaysia not knowing what this other part of the world was going to offer me. But each of these moments has given me a beautiful gift. The gift of taking the present and turning mundane things into wonder filled experiences. I’m not an influencer who has a lavish life with brand collaborations or companies that send me products to advertise, but I am a human being who can find pleasure in the mundane things I do. Indeed, just this year, the word romanticizing became part of my vocabulary to make daily rituals a bit more special. I started to implement a few habits to make the mundane activities more romantic. For instance, when I journal, I light a candle when I want my house a small certain way. I put the diffuser on with peppermint essential oils. When I want to be more present and fully detach, I bake during the weekend. There is nothing more therapeutic than a silent moment with yourself. We enjoy the tiny, small, beautiful things that life offers. For instance, going for a walk even when it’s cold and snowy. But there is nothing more beautiful than what fresh air can offer when it’s cold and you want something cozy. There’s nothing more filling than a homemade meal. Romanticizing gives us a chance to slow down, a chance to fully live the present, and the chance to be imperfectly perfect. Our lives don’t need to be Instagrammable. They just need to be romanticized in that line. Our lives don’t need to be Instagrammable. They just need to be romanticized.”

Andrea Diaz: I love that and always had big, bold adventures. But what she’s really talking about, where she’s romanticizing, isn’t the past, but still is a present moment within those things. The feeling of the dough in her hands, the scent of peppermint oil, the quiet courage of walking to a room where she shook. She knows no one. And that word she uses romanticizing is her permission slip. Is permission to enjoy the process, not just chase the outcome. Permission to make mundane, special permission to be imperfectly perfect.

Andrea Diaz: And listen to her. I realized my own tension came from forgetting to give myself those same permissions. I was stuck on what I hadn’t done. Instead of being present for what I could do. So only story shows us that a fulfilling ear doesn’t start with a harsh audit of your flaws. It starts with granting yourself some grace. So here are three permissions I think we could all use.

Andrea Diaz: So permission slip. Number one, you have permission to close the file on last year. Not what a grand finale or what a quiet acknowledgment. We carry unfinished business like like heavy luggage. A project that drained you. Goal you couldn’t reach. That fixation is what psychologists call rumination. Cyclical, stressful thinking that doesn’t lead to solutions. Your permission is to put that luggage down. Take one or weight, say, hey, that was done. I’m here now. You’re not giving up. You’re choosing to stop rereading the same chapter so you can see that blank slate, that blank page in front of you.

Andrea Diaz: Permission slip. Number two, you have permission to what you actually want, not what you think you’re supposed to want. You know, we pick goals based on shoulds. I should get promoted. I just save more and should is week fuel. The goals that stick are tied to core to a core feeling. Psychologists call this intrinsic motivation. So ask what feeling am I chasing? Is safe money about security or freedom? Is exercise about strength or vitality? The feeling is your why. Find your why and you can design a what that actually lights you up. Just like Rumi found joy in baking and boxing.

Andrea Diaz: And permission slip. Number three, you have permission to be boringly consistent with tiny things. We see goals as huge monuments built all at once. It’s overwhelming, so we do nothing. The writer James Clear talks about atomic habits. Big changes come from small, repeatable choices. You don’t build the monument, you lay one brick, then another. So what is small version of your goal? If you want to, you know, creative expression, the brick isn’t write a novel. It’s write one sentence. If you want connection, it’s text one friend. Your job is to practice the identity of the person who does tiny thing. Be a writer. One sentence. Be a connector of one text. Build the reader.

Andrea Diaz: And you know, as I sat with my story and these permissions after recorded the main episode, so I got really curious, what does this look like when you’re in it? What do you learn after your practice? So I actually reached back out to this is why you might even notice I’m in different closer now because we’re recording in a different day. So, ask for me a follow up, and let’s listen to what you said. So put my headphones on real quick. Well, yeah. Let’s watch the video and listen.

Rumi (Listener): “So I am someone who loves, journaling. And it’s something that I have studied a few years ago. I typically journal at the end of the day, and I’m writing down a few sentences about the things that I have accomplished or the things that I am grateful for. However, I came up also with this idea on how can I make my whole writing process much more special. And so I came up with this idea that I can light up a candle every time I’m sitting down, and I’m writing a few sentences about the day. I think it’s important to create a very special and cozy environment. Every time you’re sitting down with yourself and you’re writing down your thoughts. And so I came up with this idea of lighting up a candle, and it’s something that I do when I carry it also in 2026. And along with that, I came up with a second idea, which is to use an infuser every time I am sitting down where I basically, you know, I’m putting like a few drops, a few essential, essential oils in the infuser and making sure that my house or the room where I’m sitting smells good because I think it’s important to, you know, make everything that we do a much more special to romanticize our life. And there are different ways that you can do it, and it’s all about finding the right way for you. So for me, it’s all about lighting up a candle and using a computer.”

Andrea Diaz: Ooh, that was a great video from on me. And so thank you. I love how concrete that is. She shows us that romanticizing. Is it about adding more to your life? It’s about changing the atmosphere of what’s already there. She didn’t start a new huge journaling practice. She took the one she already had and made it even more welcoming. The candles sent there like tiny, a tiny gate. A small, like sensory ritual that tells her brain like this time is different. This time is for you. You can you can land here now, and that’s the ultimate application of the permission slips, isn’t it?

Andrea Diaz: You know, it’s permission slip. Number three. And action. Be consistent with the journaling, but upgrade the experience. One tiny, beautiful thing is permission number two. She’s chasing the feeling of peace and presence, not just checking a box. And it’s a powerful way to honor permission number one, to be fully here now, in her cozy, candle lit corner, not stuck in a day of unfinished business.

Andrea Diaz: So here’s your starter. It’s not a list of demands. It’s a set of permissions inspired by Rumi’s way of moving through the world. So the first let’s start off with the permission to close the file closet, put down last year’s weight and say, I’m here now. The second one. Permission. Define your why. Change the feeling, not just a milestone. Design your path to that feeling. After permission to be tiny. Commit to the smallest, most consistent action. Let the big results build themselves.

Andrea Diaz: This year doesn’t need to be about being a new you. Maybe it’s just about being a more curious, forgiving, and consistent version of the you that’s already there. Someone who, like Rumi, gives himself permission to find pleasure in the process and be imperfectly perfect. You don’t need a new set of demands, you just need a permission slip. And consider this yours. Thank you for me for sending your story. And I’m Andrea Diaz. However you move forward this year, I hope you do it with a little more kindness for your past self and a little more clarity for your future one. So take care guys, and my amigas. Bye.

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