Are you feeling the weight of the world right now? Between running a business, supporting your family, and navigating a political climate that feels increasingly personal, it is incredibly easy to hit a wall. We are constantly told as Latinas that we need to fight, to speak up, and to show up—but what happens when you are just deeply, profoundly tired and suffering from the burnout.
Today, our incredible host Anjelica Cazares is sitting down with J.C. Frias, an advocate, researcher, and absolute powerhouse from South Texas. J.C. has made it their mission to connect the dots for our community, breaking down complex political agendas into accessible, actionable insights that affect our everyday lives and businesses.
In this episode, you will learn exactly why “everything is political,” how to make a tangible impact outside of the voting booth, and why giving yourself permission to rest is a radical act of leadership. Get ready to reclaim your power, ignore the voices of judgment, and protect your peace today.
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If you are deeply invested in civic engagement but feeling exhausted, the most effective strategy is to take a break. You cannot pour into someone else’s cup if your own is empty. Recharge, pass the baton to someone else temporarily, and focus on the specific advocacy lanes where you have the most impact before returning to the work.
Beyond voting, you can drive civic engagement by having direct conversations, sharing educational political content on social media, and attending local city council or school board meetings. Even if you do not speak publicly at these meetings, your physical presence matters and contributes to community visibility.
Local elections often have a more immediate and direct impact on daily life than national races, yet they are frequently decided by extremely narrow margins. For example, a single judge in a major city might win by less than 200 votes out of thousands cast, giving them immense power over courtroom proceedings and local justice systems.
J.C. Frias: But it’s not easy or accessible for them to, like, understand, right, or have all of that. And so I said, you know what, I’m going to do it. So I, that is what I do. I advocate for my community and look for ways to share information to my community.
Anjelica Cazares: So when you talk about, when you, because I feel like you egg me on, I feel like you really bring the space to be able, the way you leave off with the question, I don’t know, what do you think? And I’m like, I think a lot of things. I think, so what do you want me to do, JC?
J.C. Frias: Do you want me to get on here too? What do you mean? What do I think? You already know what I think. Do you want to hear it?
Anjelica Cazares: I feel like you egg me on. And I feel like, is that the purpose?
J.C. Frias: You know, it’s really interesting that you say that because I had two other people just this week that said that. They’re like, it kind of gives me, like, a little bit of, like, the English comadre version of, like, pues, no sé. Like, what do they say? It’s escaping me. Where they go, like, pues, ¿quién somos nosotros para juzgar? You know what I mean? Like, that type of vibe. But it’s like, I say it at the end because I think it’s a moment for us to reflect. Like, what do I think? How do I see this? Do I see it this way? Do I see it another way? Is there something that’s missing? Is there something that I need to learn more about? You know, because politics and everything, it’s so broad. And it affects us in so many ways. People are saying, I don’t want to be political. And I’m like, no, baby. Like, everything is political, even if you don’t want it to be. It is, if you are a small business owner, it is political. Everything. And so, what space are you going to take up and understand a little bit more? Even if it’s not everything, what space impacts you that you feel like, hey, you know what? I want to have an opinion about this, and I want to get more knowledge about this.
Anjelica Cazares: So, yesterday, I interviewed Bobby Pulido.
J.C. Frias: Ooh. He’s a good one.
Anjelica Cazares: He is a good one. It matters, but it doesn’t matter. And one of the things that I was telling Bobby was this, is that whether you’re interested in civic engagement or not, it’s going to happen to you. Whether you care or not, whether you vote or not, whether you’re, whatever, it’s going to happen to you. And the indication is today that we see how it is. That we see how it truly is. So, I agree with you. There is a topic, though, that I’m hoping you’re okay with me covering. It’s this.
J.C. Frias: A ver, a ver.
Anjelica Cazares: The entire Karol G in the Mariachi.
J.C. Frias: Okay. What’s your question?
Anjelica Cazares: My question is.
J.C. Frias: Yeah, tell me.
Anjelica Cazares: At this point, there’s contracts that are signed. There’s things that people have committed to. The best thing for me, in my opinion, in my thoughts, is that she should just omit the entire Mariachi thing. Not get another Mariachi. Not do anything else. Just omit it. At this point, now you know. You truly know.
J.C. Frias: Yeah. I agree. I agree. I think. I love Karol G. And that’s just hard for me. I’m going to tell you. I’m a ride or die. I went through a divorce. One of her albums. I went through a divorce in 2018. Okay. So, there was an album that she had that I was listening to. It was one of. She had several anthems of mine. Like, I am connected to her music. I love her music. And I also love how she entered a space that there were not a lot of women in that space. So, she really. And she didn’t just enter and, like, back out. She, like, dug in and went in and kept going in.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. And she had a lot of hate.
J.C. Frias: Yeah. And so, I’m a huge fan. When it comes to Mariachis, as a Latino and as a Mexican-American, Mariachis are our world.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah, they are.
J.C. Frias: You know, when people get married, in our culture, we have Mariachis. When there’s a funeral, they were at my abuelita’s funeral. Hola. You know? Mother J’s is coming and everybody gets a Mariachi for an hour or two. Everything. They’re so connected to us. When I post videos, and I’m getting to your point.
Anjelica Cazares: No, go for it.
J.C. Frias: When I post videos online of these raids that are happening to our families, we’re using Mariachi music. It is embedded in our culture, in our feelings, in who we are. And so, at this point, I give her and her team the benefit of the doubt that they had no idea all these ties.
Anjelica Cazares: And the man?
J.C. Frias: Then. Then. And the man, and the history of this organization. I’ll tell you this. I didn’t have one Mariachi member reach out. I didn’t have five. I didn’t have 20. I had over 50 different Mariachi people throughout the state of California reach out to me and tell me how this man is a legend in this area. But also how this is so conflicting to them.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: And the reason I’m so deep in it with this is because it’s not just that they’re MAGA or Trump.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. It’s that. They’re vocal.
J.C. Frias: They’re vocal. And the wife is tied. She’s the president of the Lincoln Foundation and OC.
Anjelica Cazares: I’ve seen that.
J.C. Frias: Which they have millions and millions of dollars that they have raised for Republican agendas that are affecting our lives as Latinos today.
Anjelica Cazares: You’re right.
J.C. Frias: So it’s not just I voted for him. It’s that I continue to raise money. I continue to fund this. And I continue to double down on this.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. And so at this point, with them with this knowledge and with Karol G being so vocal that she wanted to make this about her community.
J.C. Frias: Yeah.
Anjelica Cazares: With Karol G taking so many small business owners that you and I know, right?
J.C. Frias: Yes, personally.
Anjelica Cazares: That have set up shops.
J.C. Frias: Yeah. Amazing. Yeah.
Anjelica Cazares: So there’s so many amazing things. And for you to find out this information and to not just say, hey, I didn’t know this. I don’t stand with this. So here’s the thing is that all the small shop owners there have skin in the game.
J.C. Frias: Yeah.
Anjelica Cazares: And for them, they don’t want to be, they want the opportunity to still be seen as like a person to be able to sell. Still, you don’t want to, they don’t need to be outed. They don’t need to be, because we already know that whether they agree with it or not, we know their opinion. They said it before. It’s not up to them, but it’s up to us, the public, the community, the supporters of Karol G, the friends of those vendors who are out there to the Pichota Records and doing that stuff.
J.C. Frias: And it’s, it’s true. It’s true. It’s, how do you know there was so much money tied to it? Oh, just in 2024, they raised over $3 million.
Anjelica Cazares: Okay.
J.C. Frias: And there’s videos of her where they invite different politicians out. They’ve had Governor Newsom from Florida, who has doubled down on Alligator Alcatraz and other detention centers in the swamps. And they have pictures celebrating with him. They have Ted Cruz, who left us here in Texas, in Houston, devastated as he went to Cancun. So, like, when we talk about this and how you’re setting up your platform, and then this is happening, and to not say, hey, guess what? Like, I had no idea. I’m going to distance myself. Yes, there’s contract signed. What can we do? What statement can we make? Can we make a statement and say, there’s contract signed already? But this is where we’re at. This is what we’re going to do. This is what I’m going to donate. But to take two steps back and not say anything. And the other thing crazy about this is it’s everywhere. So they know. They know. And their publicists have all, all three of her publicists have muted their comments. So they know. They know. It’s up to them. It’s up to them.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. And that’s the disheartening part of it all, because as a community, we should be protecting each other, and we should be standing up for each other, and we should give each other grace, but also be able to say, hey, you know what? I effed up, or I didn’t know, and let’s correct it. I have a really hard time doing that, because sometimes I want to say to some, what the fuck did you just do? Like, what did you do? I was so vocal and loud from the very beginning, and this was like when that first, when it all first started to transpire, right? And then Biden, and then, you know, whatever. I was so vocal about it, and people couldn’t let it go for me. They were like, but we all know, because you make it so well known, you make it so well known, where your stance is at. Right now, I don’t want to say anything, because I want to tell people, you were fucking warned. You were warned over and over. You’ve seen his public, and I mean, it got so personal that I couldn’t. I couldn’t anymore. What do we say to people who feel, and maybe this is advice for me, what do you say to a person on my soul who was invested, invested into the political, like, against the entire Trump administration from day one? And then everything transpired, and everything has happened, and they’re kind of just tired of fighting all the time, because it’s been years. But they still want to be in the space and still talk about civic engagement. What would you tell them?
J.C. Frias: So if I understand the question right, it’s what would I tell somebody? Somebody who’s tired.
Anjelica Cazares: That’s tired.
J.C. Frias: Yeah. Take a break. Take a break, baby girl. You know, like, take a—we cannot pour into somebody else’s cup if our cup is empty.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: So we have to take a break.
Anjelica Cazares: Okay.
J.C. Frias: And we also have to know our lane and know where—what we want to advocate for. There’s so many things.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: And even on my platform, there’s so many things I can cover and talk about, and I wish I could. I can’t cover them all. But I know that there’s somebody else out there that I follow that I love that’s covering it, and my audience is hearing that. And I’m going to repost it and share it and let them do that work.
Anjelica Cazares: Okay.
J.C. Frias: Because I can’t do that part of it.
Anjelica Cazares: Okay.
J.C. Frias: But I’m going to focus on what I can do and how I can help. And so that’s what I would say. And when it comes down to it, if you’re tired, take a break.
Anjelica Cazares: Okay.
J.C. Frias: Recharge and come back to it. You know, I think we all owe ourselves breaks in this and pass the baton to somebody else and then pick it up again.
Anjelica Cazares: I like that. I like that. I’m going to hold myself accountable to this much at least, is to hold myself accountable to legislation and agendas that are going to be affecting entrepreneurs in the entrepreneurship space because that’s my passion. And the more that we can get that hyper-fixated on our area, the more we become a source of knowledge for those individuals.
J.C. Frias: I started talking about politics, and I’ve been involved for years. I’ve helped organize different things in my own way and how I could. I used to work in finance, so there was a lot of things in the company that I was at that I could not be as vocal or I could lose my job and my living. And so there were certain things I couldn’t do. But as this term came around, I said, you know what? There are not enough people that look like me that are talking about this and also talking about this in English. You know, we have a lot. When we hear politics, there’s a lot of Spanish speaking, right? And maybe there can be a lot more, right? There’s Spanish speakers. But I’m like, I am first generation through my dad. I’m third generation, fourth generation, however you want to count it, through my mom. I consume, I understand Spanish, I understand English, but I consume all my information, my media in English, my news in English. And I know if I’m like that, there are other people just like me that consume it like that. So I’m going to take up that space and carve up my own lane and I’m going to do and share how I want to share it. And I’ll get people that are like, why are you doing pop culture? Like, aren’t you? I had somebody that said, I did something about, I think the first video I did with Karol G. And they’re like, why? I thought this was news.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah, it is.
J.C. Frias: I thought this was news, political news. I’m like, yeah, it is. Everything is political. Let me show you.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. Yeah, let me connect the dots for you.
J.C. Frias: Let me connect the dots. And that is the biggest thing that a lot of us don’t have the time to do all this research. So I’m going to connect the dots for you. And now you can go Google search it because that’s what I’m doing. Google searching and I’m following the track of it. And then it opens up other questions and then I’m like, okay, well, let me look that up, you know. And so it just continues to connect the dots for people. And I think that is one of the things that people relate with me. So if you want to talk about entrepreneurship, business, Latina, there’s a lane. There’s a huge audience that needs that, that don’t know where to go. And you can be that resource for that.
Anjelica Cazares: That source, yeah. That’s amazing. I really want to do that. No, thank you. Thank you for that.
J.C. Frias: And I think you are.
Anjelica Cazares: Well, I’m trying. I’m trying. I really am trying.
J.C. Frias: I think you are. And not just saying you’re trying, you’re doing. Look where we’re at.
Anjelica Cazares: Yes. Yes.
J.C. Frias: No, for real, right? I came to the small businesses here in South Texas and in different areas in Texas because I knew they couldn’t come all the way to Houston to the conference that I hold once. But it’s once because they have to, you have to move your dates around to be able to do it. We can barely move around our times throughout the day. There’s no way we can carve out one or two days. And so I’m like, you know what? I’ll go to you. I’ll go to you. I have the time. I have the source. I have the resources. I have the van. Let me go to you.
Anjelica Cazares: I love it.
J.C. Frias: Let me go to you. So thank you. I appreciate that. I really do think. And that’s what I’m saying. I think sometimes we also have to give ourselves credit.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: You know, we have to say, hey, you know what? Like, I wanted to go to the Dili detention. They did a whole caravan today.
Anjelica Cazares: I’ve seen it.
J.C. Frias: I wanted to go. I’ve been twice. Three hours away. I was going to try to go. And I’ve gone. And every time I’ve gone, I’ve had to pay out of my own dime to go, right?
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: I had to figure it out and go and do all that. Nobody’s paying me to go.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: I wanted to go this time. But it’s my dad’s birthday. He turned 71.
Anjelica Cazares: Okay.
J.C. Frias: So my family came down and I’m like, they came down from San Antonio. I’m like, there’s no way I can leave when we’re celebrating, right?
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: So I had to just be like, it’s okay. Other people are going. Other people are showing up. I’ll repost and share this stuff.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: And I’m going to do what I can do.
Anjelica Cazares: I thought it was like an hour away. As I was trying to take the van, I was like, three hours away. I was like, what up? I don’t think I could do that because I’ve committed to the, to the, to the city of McAllen to be here, to be here from four to six. So there was no way I could be here back on time. And I started, it did, it weighed heavy on my heart, but I was like, okay, okay. I can do only what I can do.
J.C. Frias: Yeah. And to be there in that space would have definitely shown up. There’s, there’s more that I can do. It, when you talk about more to be able to be done, yes, we should all rest. But in addition to that, what can individuals do outside of voting?
Anjelica Cazares: You know, I think we have to have conversations. We have to have what we’re having right now. Okay. And we have to have, there’s different mediums of those conversations, right? I’ll sometimes hear people say like, oh, you’re on social media and you’re just sharing a post. Like that’s doing nothing. No, that is doing something. We cuss on this podcast. You know, that is doing something. You are doing something by watching that video and sharing that video. And you know, as a small business owner, how that like helps, how that share helps, how that follow helps.
J.C. Frias: Yeah. It all, it’s all compounded, right? So if I had a hundred people that shared that post, you didn’t just get that in front of a hundred more eyes. You got that in front of thousands of more eyes.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: And you got that into different communities because guess what? Certain people aren’t going to want to listen to, certain people aren’t, don’t have access to me right now. Okay. But because you shared me, now they have more access to more information, you know? And so I think we need to look at things like that. So I think social media, in my opinion, is a great way to start feeling, putting feelers out.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. Of where you want to go with stuff.
J.C. Frias: Yeah.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. I think attending city council meetings. Okay. I think that has been very interesting for me as well.
J.C. Frias: Okay.
Anjelica Cazares: Learning about that, learning something about your local elections, your school board. If you are a parent and you have kids, learn about your school board, show up to a school board meeting and listen, you don’t have to speak. We went to a school board meeting and I had somebody comment saying, oh, these people went and they didn’t speak up. Well, we can’t do that because people that are showing up, at least they’re showing up.
J.C. Frias: Yeah. So that already is a win.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: You know, if we’re going to shame people for showing up and not speaking, like, then where do we go? You know, like we need them to really show up.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: People are not showing up, you know? So now people are showing up.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: So I think we also have to look at those things of like, what are we doing? What are we putting out there and what little steps we can take?
Anjelica Cazares: Right.
J.C. Frias: I think also when we know that a Congress member is going to come down, show up to that, that that thing that’s going, take a friend.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: You know, we have elections coming up.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. Plan something.
J.C. Frias: Take. I did when we had voting, I got a group of girls together, a group of my girlfriends, and we went and had coffee, talked about who we were voting for and why. We had our printed out things, and then we went and we voted together.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: And that was something that we did together that made it more of a, we were able to like talk, we were able to hang out, socialize, and go vote civically.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. Yeah. I think, okay, good, good. Showing up. Showing up. Showing up to the things that interest you the most, to the conversations that are going to interest you the most. Outside of voting, you have to show up.
J.C. Frias: Mm-hmm. That’s the extra step that you can take if you want to take.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. Yeah.
J.C. Frias: And if, and if you haven’t voted, taking that step to vote is your first step.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. Into civic engagement.
J.C. Frias: Yeah.
Anjelica Cazares: We see how civic engagement can truly affect individuals.
J.C. Frias: Mm-hmm.
Anjelica Cazares: Individually, obviously, but as a community and as a resource. I have a conversation with my sister who has, she does in Villos to Mexico, right, in the community here in McAllen. Okay. This is where she’s at today. And I asked her, I said, hey, are people leaving? She’s like, yeah.
J.C. Frias: Mm-hmm.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. They’re leaving. And I was like, well, is it because they’re scared? They’re like, it’s because they, it’s become too much.
J.C. Frias: Mm-hmm.
Anjelica Cazares: It’s become too much. There’s uncertainty.
J.C. Frias: Yes.
Anjelica Cazares: People don’t like to feel.
J.C. Frias: Yeah.
Anjelica Cazares: Uncertain. And McAllen, we depend on internationals.
J.C. Frias: Yeah. A major part of our economy is internationals, and we’re hurting.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: A major part of our economy is the homes.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: We’ve been featured on Wall Street Journal, New York Times. CNN, they’ve all been coming down. Texas Tribune, Texas Courier, everybody’s been coming down and talking about our economy because our builders are losing all of their employees.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: They’re taking them.
Anjelica Cazares: Mm-hmm.
J.C. Frias: You know? And so we might be blinded to it because we don’t feel it right now.
Anjelica Cazares: Mm-hmm.
J.C. Frias: But all of this stuff, we don’t feel the direct impact. The consumer, the resident doesn’t feel the direct impact right now, but we feel it later. Let’s talk about Houston.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: You guys have a judge.
Anjelica Cazares: Yep.
J.C. Frias: He’s been big on social because of how he’s talking to people in the courtroom.
Anjelica Cazares: Mm-hmm.
J.C. Frias: Judge Milliron.
Anjelica Cazares: Mm-hmm.
J.C. Frias: That judge is a Republican.
Anjelica Cazares: Mm-hmm.
J.C. Frias: And if you don’t know who he is, go Google him. Just put his name, Houston Judge. He’s everywhere right now because he’s been doing some crazy stuff in the courtroom.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. Yeah.
J.C. Frias: He got into office because he won by, like, I think it was, like, 180 votes or something.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. Yeah.
J.C. Frias: Yeah. We have a Republican judge in there who is doing all this crazy stuff, and he only got in there because of 180 votes or—I don’t know the number, but it’s a very small number. It’s a margin number. And you would think that, oh, okay, well, Anjelica, well, there must have been, like, 15,000 people voted. No. We’re talking about, like, maybe three to four to 5,000 people voted, and he won by 100.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: So it’s just one of those things that we don’t really understand the impact that it’s going to have until later down the road, and then we’re just like, oh, my gosh.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: How did nobody know about this? Right now, there’s a big thing going on here, McAllen. There’s talks about maybe a detention center coming on, right? We’ve had Barbed Wire that put it in their thing. We had—who was the other—Bloomberg, they were posting it. There’s been things coming out. We don’t know. Data centers, we don’t know. So as residents, it’s our job to get informed. Is it happening? Is it not happening? What’s going on? So we should—those types of things, they start helping you move the dial, you know?
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: Into, like, yes, into the space that we can be in.
Anjelica Cazares: There’s so many conversations that I want to have with you, and I think this is just a passing time, JC. I really want to sit down with you and have a whole spread out of conversation and bring up different topics and really dive deep into them because I think diving deep sometimes it gets people really excited about what they’re really doing because when they go back, they don’t need just talking points. They need real hard evidence, and I think that’s one of the things that you’re doing is giving real hard evidence into, like, why it matters, where it stands, and where it might possibly go if it’s not changed fast or quickly or within the time necessary. JC, what advice would you give to gentlemen or to young men just like you who see you as an inspiration or aspiration to be able to live up to?
J.C. Frias: I think that people are always going to talk. People are always going to have their opinions. People are always going to say whatever they want to say, and that is their prerogative. Let them, you know?
Anjelica Cazares: Okay.
J.C. Frias: Let people be, and you stay in your lane, and you do you, and you learn. Obviously, you’ve got to be, no seas toxico, right? You’ve got to be receptive if there’s something that’s happening that you know, like, hey, maybe I should listen to this because I need this feedback. But honestly, if you know what you’re doing is right, continue forward. And don’t let the voices in your head because, and I don’t know if it happens to you, but I think it happens to the majority of us. When we’re going to do something, we hesitate. And sometimes there’s a little voice in our head.
Anjelica Cazares: All the time.
J.C. Frias: But that little voice has a face.
Anjelica Cazares: Uh-huh.
J.C. Frias: It has a face of fulanito, fulanita, what are they going to say, what are they going to think?
Anjelica Cazares: You’re right. It does.
J.C. Frias: You know?
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. And in different things, right?
J.C. Frias: Yeah. It has a face of, oh, no, if I do this, this person, or this person, that, they’re going to do that.
Anjelica Cazares: Yep.
J.C. Frias: They don’t have your wallet. They don’t pay your bills.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: They don’t have any control of where your life is going.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: So why are you giving them that control to hold you back?
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: You know, get rid of that little voice, that little face. It doesn’t matter. Because guess what? When I started talking politics, I was like, shit, this person, this person’s going to unfollow me. And guess what? They did. They did.
Anjelica Cazares: And guess what happened?
J.C. Frias: Did it fucking matter? Nothing. Nothing.
Anjelica Cazares: I’m going. You’re right.
J.C. Frias: I’m going. You’re right.
Anjelica Cazares: You’re right. The train is leaving.
J.C. Frias: Yeah. We’re on it.
Anjelica Cazares: Uh-huh.
J.C. Frias: You got off? Great. Adios. See you later. I forgot about you. You know what I mean? Like, you know, like, it’s like, we all have that little phase. And we got to be like, it doesn’t matter. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: Because if it really mattered, it would have mattered.
Anjelica Cazares: Mm-hmm.
J.C. Frias: And they would have stayed.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: If they really cared about you, if it was really like that.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. You’re right. You know?
J.C. Frias: Yeah. But they didn’t.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: And I knew they weren’t. I knew they weren’t. And it’s okay. And that’s heavy. And that’s okay.
Anjelica Cazares: It is.
J.C. Frias: It’s okay. It is. It’s okay. Because they can do them. They’ll figure it out.
Anjelica Cazares: And they’ll figure it out.
J.C. Frias: Yeah. And when they’re ready.
Anjelica Cazares: You’re right.
J.C. Frias: They can catch the next ticket.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. The next stop.
J.C. Frias: Yeah. And they can get back on the train.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: As we figure it out ourselves. Because, I mean, hello? I didn’t get here from one day to the next.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah.
J.C. Frias: You know? It’s an evolution. We are consistently evolving. I hate the fact that as soon as you said that, we talk about. And these little voices have faces. Because mine’s due.
Anjelica Cazares: And I hate it.
J.C. Frias: They do.
Anjelica Cazares: I hate it.
J.C. Frias: They do. And even today, I have new faces. That you’re afraid.
Anjelica Cazares: Yeah. And I’m. Whatever.
J.C. Frias: Okay. Whatever.
Anjelica Cazares: I’m talking about all of this. And as I grow in this. I am going to make people upset. Other people upset that I don’t even know who they are. But I’m going to continue going. I’m going to continue going. Why? Why? I want to put them in a box and just kick them into the sea. And just, you know, in a barrel somewhere. And they can just go. And I wish I would have. Sometimes I think to myself, I wish I would have never met them. But then I put still too much focus and emphasis on them. And we really do hate that. It’s not that we care. It’s just.
